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The car crash interview of a Trustee of the King’s Fund about potential payments for the NHS



The political parties have two strands of consensus which at first blush may seem somewhat irreconcilable: a NHS which is universal, and free-at-the-point-of-need, and £15-20 ‘efficiency savings’ within the next few years.

Taxes could rise to increase the size of the public expenditure pot. thereby generating additional funds to flow into public funding for healthcare. There does not seem to be any political appetite for this approach at the moment. While technically possible (tax levels are far higher in Nordic countries than in the UK), this is unlikely to provide an answer in the short term.

The NHS is heading for a “breakdown” if people expect it carry on providing all services for free under increasing demand, the former head of Marie Curie Cancer Care has warned.

Sir Thomas Hughes-Hallett urged us to ‘take more responsibility’, encouraging us to think about what we ‘really need for free'; he gave his view of how to keep the NHS on the road, saying it should – like a a garage – charge “for extras”.

He said people “need a sat-nav” to point them what is “most convenient”, towards chemists or community support centres and “steer them away from the NHS when they don’t need it”.

He further added that people should treat their bodies like a car, with a regular MOT, and that “we need to take more responsibility for our own health”.

Hughes-Hallett, a trustee of the King’s Fund, and Executive Chair of the Institute of Global Health Innovation at Imperial College, London, predicted: “We need to make tough choices for now about what we really need for free”.

Unfortunately, Sir Thomas was a guest on Wednesday’s Daily Politics today, and his defence of his own argument was worse than pitiful as you can see here (at 1 hr 29 minutes).

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Andrew Neil started the discussion by enquiring off Hughes-Hallett where he “would draw the line”, mooting gastric banding, acupuncture, and varicose veins.

For fertility treatment, he said: “there is no yes or no answer.”

Neil then replied that some difficult questions would have to be answered.

Alan Duncan MP said: “It’s free-at-the-point of need and that’s not going to change…. but for the mainstream medical needs, that’s not going to change.”

Vernon Coaker MP said: “This is the thin-end-of-the-wedge. The whole point of the NHS is that’s free-at-the-point-of-use, and if you start charging, you’re going to end up with a two tier service, and the poor will be disadvantaged.”

Hughes-Hallett claimed: “Many people are willing to pay.”

The NHS could start to draw in funds from other sources, such as co-payments and supplementary insurance. Again, these could potentially start to challenge existing views on equity, because they inevitably introduce an element of some kind of payment to access services. Exemptions and subsidies can mitigate this to some extent, but the more they are used, the more they offset the expenditure benefits of alternative sources of funding in the first place.

In a recent view, the departing CEO of NHS England said that the introduction of co-payments, imminently, was “unlikely”.

A question still remains over how to deal with services that fall outside the defined core package. If they are significant in the eyes of patients, markets will develop to cover those services, funded either through fee for service or insurance-based mechanisms.

On the one hand, the development of such a market might be regarded as undermining equity (some in society will be able to pay to access health services that are not freely available to all). Others will interpret it as a natural market response that is neither desirable nor sensible to prevent — what matters is ensuring that the core package of services that is available to all is adequate.

It cannot be denied, however, that a growing number of people feel that the marketisation of  the NHS has gone far too far.

In fact, many want the market abolished altogether now.

  • http://twitter.com/mjh0421 Mervyn Hyde (@mjh0421)

    This is exactly the same format for the reduction of costs on pensions, invent a theory; that the demand can’t be met because of the ever increasing size of population.

    This of course is false, in that the baby boomers will eventually die out, they will not live for ever as the theory seems to predict. Some never even mature to reach a pension, many of my friends that I grew up with are testament to that, yes there will be a bulge in the short term not for ever as they try and make you believe.

    This idea that we can’t afford the NHS is predicated on the assumption that illness is a growth business and as with the pensions format can’t be financialy sustained.

    The Cato Institute was responsible for peddling these myths: “The costs of global aging will be far beyond the means of even the world’s wealthiest nations—unless retirement benefit systems are radically reformed.”

    The region’s looming pension crisis is perhaps the most severe in the developed world. According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the unfunded liabilities in Europe are enormous—more than 200 percent of GDP in France and Italy and more than 150 percent of GDP in Germany,

    A pay-as-you-go public pension system is a collectivist scheme that deprives individuals
    of freedom in organizing their lives and planning for their futures.

    The full paper from this institute can be seen here,

    Link: http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/cl-15.pdf

    For an insight as to who has been behind the Cato institute and it’s thinking, the Koch brothers.

    This Link shows the tensions that existed between them and obvious influences:
    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/25/cato-institute-and-koch-brothers-reach-agreement/?_r=0

    This is one of the institutes that dream up these bogus theories and have been instrumental in spreading them throughout the world. I do not know Hughes-Hallett but clearly he is from the same school of thought as this institute.

    Even if it were true that we can’t afford our health service because of increasing demand, that is also untrue because in the words of none other that Mike Norman, Chief economist, John Thomas Financial. That we can print as much money as we need to meet any situation.

    Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HJ54RRB7OU

    So in other words, if we need to spend more we can print more to cover the costs, he was of course referring to the so called deficit, but the deficit is the difference between what we spend in the public sector and taxes we raise to pay for it.

    So instead of asking people to pay for an insurance policy to cover the extra needs in health care, we can print the money and pay it directly into the NHS.

    The reason we do not do that is because these people want you to pay into private insurance schemes so that they can profit from peoples ignorance.

    This is basis of anti-public rhetoric, it is simply creating theories that make public service unworkable and using the scarce money theory to undermine them.

  • http://twitter.com/joefd j farrington-douglas (@joefd)

    If it is more efficient to purchase and distribute services collectively, any shift to private funding will cost more in the long run. The fact that funding comes out of our pocket rather than our taxes does equate with a saving.

    There is more theoretically legitimate debate about copayments is to change behaviour. By that logic, we would abolish prescription charges (there is no rationale for disincentivising people from fulfilling their prescriptions). We could have a policy to increase copayments for unhealthy behaviours (call them sin taxes). By definition, healthcare seeking (aka ‘consumption’) is not something we wish to discourage.

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